Rudy Giuliani Stuns NBC's Chuck Todd: 'Truth Isn't Truth'

Rudy Giuliani former New York City mayor and current lawyer for President Donald Trump at the White House

Rudy Giuliani former New York City mayor and current lawyer for President Donald Trump at the White House

President Donald Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani said Sunday that a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between top Trump campaign officials and a Russian government ally could not be evidence of collusion even though the intention of the meeting was to get damaging information on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

"When you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth", Giuliani told Chuck Todd on NBC's Meet the Press.

"I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime", Giuliani said in an interview on Fox News". "Nowadays they are", Giuliani asserted.

"I guess Jared is a fine man, you know that", Giuliani said. "Maybe you know because you're a genius". "Trump says I didn't tell them, and the other guy says that he did say it".

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In January past year Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway told Todd's programme, Meet the Press, that the White House was entitled to present "alternative facts".

When Todd replied: "Truth is truth", Giuliani responded: "No, it isn't truth".

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Trump has said he is willing to talk to Mueller, but his current legal team, headed by Giuliani, has yet to arrange such a meeting, insisting that certain topics remain off-limits.

Setmeyer also said Guiliani's semantics quandary was right up there with then-President Clinton's response during his grand jury testimony in 1998 when he tried to question the meaning of "is" on whether he lied about having an affair with intern Monica Lewinsky.

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"Truth isn't truth?" Todd interjected. And Todd, wise to the ways of modern media, correctly predicted it would become a "bad meme".

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